Ben Wiehe

I can't help but point out that Rick's approach has been amorphous from the beginning. And I think that's something I really appreciated. And I remember reading his ... We had a competitive application process to decide on sites. Rick's proposals was like, "We have no idea what we're going to do, but we're going to go to this many meetings one at a time." And I was like, "That sounds really interesting to me. That's process over product." I mean, you really did come at this without a predetermined sense of like, "Well, we're going to have to have this event on that." I remember having conversations with you and this is, I'm now influencing the conversation a little bit, but nothing's objective anyways. So you received funding to participate for doing the project. And it was just a set amount for every site. And you were like, "Well, I'm having trouble spending this money." I remember having a conversation with you where I was like, "Well, you can buy pizza." And you're like, "Really?" I'm like, "Yeah, you can buy food. Or if somebody needs something, bring pizza to the next community meeting you go to or whatever people are eating." And I don't know. There's something that I've found. It's funny to me that you're still struggling with the fact that it's amorphous, but to me in a weird way, maybe that is actually a great strength.