How complex these things are, how nuanced, and how much time it takes is something that I think is maybe given short shift from a planning perspective, from the science engagement folks side, but also from the philanthropic side. No one wants to hear, I think about a four-year thing to get to know people and then do a one-off whatever, when you don't want it to be a one-off. So that came up to me about how complex and how great it was that Rick, that you were there invested, and Sarah and company were there in Atlanta working through some of these partnerships