I was in a meeting where we realized that the stakeholders in our group, they didn't agree and when we were two years in and we just found out that some people thought that we needed hard numbers and we needed a pipeline and convert everyone to scientist like Rick was saying. And other people were like, "If I go to a music festival, I don't go in thinking I'm going to have to learn how to be a musician. I don't go to an art museum and I think, Oh no, I gotta be an artist." He's like, "It's only science educators who put all this pressure on themselves to raise scientists." And he was being a little bit facetious, but his point stuck with me. And so I think some of this tension about one-offs, short-term engagements, some of those matter, some of the most important events of our lives are one-offs. There are things that happened once.