what does success look like? Right? And when we are plugged into a super inflexible structure where we have to have X, Y, Z metrics, and it has to take place within this one or three year, whatever the funding cycle is, as you mentioned Justin, I think it's really hard for people to think about success as building capacity when capacity feels such an immeasurable entity. People just want metrics, they want numbers, they want graphs, and that's how you get your money to sustain your engagement work. And so we are pitted against what needs to be done just to survive. And I think that is highly, highly problematic.