one of the things that's happening in the museum field, is how do we actually connect? And how do we become more socially just places? And one of the things that I think, really leads in this situated in engagement stuff, is that what we're finding from the national network perspective of talking to people, is that it's not going to happen at our places where people are comfortable. Like Rick points out, it's families with kids, and it's older adults who feel comfortable, who feel like they have ownership of those places. And the Comic Con, and the parade environments, those two that we're really looking at, has a totally different ownership, of who those places belong to. And how you can participate in that belonging.